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26 February 2007 @ 12:43 am
Read-Rec-Review returns! Plus, bonus poll.  
So it's only been three months, let's do another one of these. Props to auronlu for the original idea.

Read, Review, Recommend

Read a story lately and liked it, but didn't have time or couldn't think of anything to say as feedback? Now's your chance. Had a story on your reading list for awhile with no time to read it? Now's the time to jump in, and make sure to review when you're done. Don't have anything more to say than, "Hey, I liked this"? No problem. If you have the time or inclination to say more, go for it, but don't feel like you have to leave detailed feedback in order to participate. Part of the point of this exercise is to get used to the idea of leaving comments of any length.

The other point? Developing the recommendation habit. Once you've read and reviewed, if you want to share your find, come back and comment to this post with a link. No need to go into great detail here, either, although it would be helpful to give a title and say which fandom and whether it's worksafe. And then we'll have a rec list for everyone to check out.

Also, heyheyrenay and I were discussing this post (found via metafandom) and it brought up some issues about leaving feedback that inspired the following poll:

Poll #935324 Feedback poll

Do you like getting feedback on fic?

I don't really care
No, and I disallow comments on my fics
Other (see comments)

What kind of feedback do you like?

Detailed concrit -- bring on the tl;dr!
Short comments, positive and negative
Positive comments only
"I read this story" -- just some acknowlegement that someone is reading
I don't like getting feedback
Other (see comments)

When you receive feedback, do you respond to it?

Sometimes, if I have time
Sometimes, if I feel like the comment is asking for a reply
Sometimes, under some other circumstance which I will explain in comments

Do you leave feedback on the stories you read?

Sometimes (explain in comments)

Are you more likely to leave feedback for an author that you know is likely to respond to it?

Yes, it matters a lot to me.
It's nice if they respond but it's not a signifcant factor.
No, I don't care if they respond.

Lassarinalassarina on February 26th, 2007 06:54 pm (UTC)
With regards to whether or not I leave feedback, it depends on the type of story I'm reviewing. With drabbles, I rarely have anything more to say than "Squee." With long fic, it depends on how much reading I've already done that day; the longer I've been reading, the less likely I am to provide detailed feedback. Yesterday, for example, I read approximately 50,000 words in various and sundry places, and by the 20,000 mark I was getting very bored of leaving feedback. (On the plus side? I did clear out 50% of my backlogged reading list, going back to November. XD)
KJ: ff12 - balthierowlmoose on February 27th, 2007 07:52 am (UTC)
Yeah, I hear you on the feedback fatigue. When I get like that I tell myself that I'll go back and leave comments on the stories I skipped, but, well. Easier said than done, you know?
irajustira on February 26th, 2007 07:18 pm (UTC)
Ho ho! heyheyrenay was unwise enough to point me this way! I'll have recs and such in a bit, but for the moment I am dutifully disclosing about my poll.

Yes, I love getting feedback. I am a feedback whore. To bring this around to that metafandom post you linked to: yes, a huge part of why I love feedback is just to know that someone is reading, that what I write has an audience. This is less of a problem in the FF fandom, where so far everything I've written has gotten at least some feedback -- you guys rock. In my other primary fandom, though, I tend to write rarer pairing or pairings that are really damn obvious from canon and theoretically well-liked on popular -- and neither kind of story gets feedback, not even the latter. This sucks! I don't write for an audience in the sense that I don't bend what I write to suit what I think readers would enjoy more/conform to fandom standards/whatever. I'd write (and have written) whether anybody read my work or not. Additionally, whether or not a story would be popular in fandom bears absolutely no relation to whether or not I'd actually write it.

However, I sure as hell post for an audience. No shame here! I post to share my ideas and hopefully bring people enjoyment, and of course I want to hear about it! It would be super awesome if everyone left feedback with all kinds of crit and meta discussion all the time, but since that pretty much won't ever happen, it still feel awesome just to know that somebody read it. I admit to wanting more, though -- I want to know if my story did anything. My personal holy grail of writing achievement (or achievement in any creative medium) is being able to evoke an emotional response. If people respond to something I wrote, it helps let me know whether I achieved that part at all. If people don't respond, then I assume I failed.

Well, okay, I talked too much again. IN SUMMARY: I post for an audience, so of course it rocks to know whether or not I have an audience. However, for me feedback isn't just about that. I want to know if I provoked any kind of reaction, and yes, I'm looking for concrit, too.

... I guess I already explained my answers to the second question, which were crit, short positive/negative, and/or acknowledgment.

When I receive feedback, YES, I respond to it! This goes for art, too. Even if it's something as simple as "Thanks for the comment". I try to respond to each comment individually, to say something specifically responding to the commentor's thoughts. The only times I don't respond are when I don't check my messages for a while and forget/delete them by mistake ._.

Leaving feedback on stories I read!

I TRY. OH LORD DO I TRY. These days I guess my average feedback-to-no-feedback ratio is about 60%, while my overall feedback-left total is very low. I blame this on several factors.
1. I concrit a lot. I don't have TIME to crit as well as I'd like to on everything.
2. I read too much (this takes my other fandoms into account). I run a newsletter, so I have to skim almost everything for spoilers/rating and often end up having to read the entire thing (thankfully this basically only applies to drabbles). Even if I just left quick notes on everything, it would get overwhelimg. Hello work, school, sleep, and general non-fandom life!
3. I read too little (this applies to FF fandom in particular). I'm shy about venturing outside rec lists for fear of badfic. I've been trying to do that less, and of course I read everything I can (without spoiling myself) in ff_100. But still, the end result is that I don't read much fic, even though I WANT to read more, so my overall contribution turns out to be a smallish sum.

In the end, though, I have no excuse. I should respond more. I am a hypocrite and I admit this ._.

Authors responding to my comments. Well, honestly it doesn't factor into my decision to comment or not, but it does factor into GLEE if they do respond. I love authors responding to my comments. ESPECIALLY concrit -- I want to know if I did okay with my crit at least as much as I want to know if I did okay with my stories.

OKAY DONE EXPLAINING. More tl;dr on commenting in general to come. Plus a rec, I hope >.>

KJ: ffx2 - paineowlmoose on February 27th, 2007 08:00 am (UTC)
Yay recs. :)

I think I am with you on wanting feedback for more than just "yes, I read this." I like th provoke a reaction, and it's very satisfying to know what that reaction is. I mean, it's not like I'd *turn down* "I read this"-style reviews, but they do leave me wanting more.

"I read this." "And..... ?!?!"

Alex: A dolphinovo_lexa on February 26th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC)
Storyteller at heart - In part, I write to get the stories out of my head and out into the open. In part, well... a good portion of storytelling is to make an impact on people.

I can live without feedback, but I do like to know what kind of a reaction (good/bad/neutral) I might have made. In particular, it gives a lot of heart to know that someone might have seen the world in the way I saw out of the corner of my eye, just for a second.

Or maybe I'm delusional.

Making people laugh is fun, too.

I, uh... well, I like to reply to comments. Or rather, I feel obligated to do so, but I have a lot of trouble with it. First, I feel the need to individually acknowledge everybody, so flat out C&P "Thanks! ^^" wears on me - I am grateful, but I don't want to come across as not having paid any attention at all. For longer comments and questions, it's easier, but I feel bad if I'm commenting to one and not the other, and frequently I wait to think of what's best to say, but then I wait too long and... uh... Yeah. I try to reply, but I have a lot of difficulty in doing so. (I used to have a page specifically devoted to review replies, but I found it bulky and pretentious)

Leaving feedback is tricky. I like to think on a story I've read and come up with something awesome and appropriate, but this can lead to forgetting that I was supposed to leave a comment altogether.

I've also caught myself coming across as brusque when I comment, which makes me unhappy, for I never really mean it. I don't concrit much anymore, and rarely point out errors except for little things (Typos, can happen to anybody).

So, generally, I try to feedback, but often fail for feeling shy about it all.

I think that discussion is fun and that story discussion is fun, but it doesn't bother me if an author doesn't reply to me.
KJ: ffx - auronowlmoose on February 27th, 2007 08:04 am (UTC)
In particular, it gives a lot of heart to know that someone might have seen the world in the way I saw out of the corner of my eye, just for a second.

I totally know what you mean by this. It's a way of making a connection to someone. And there are a lot of ways to do that online, but nothing quite gives me the thrill of knowing that I made that connection through my writing.

I think that discussion is fun and that story discussion is fun

So do I. And I don't see as much of it as I used to, either on my stories (and I freely admit that I bear responsibility for this, since I have gotten much lazier about replying to comments lately) or on the comments I leave for other people. Fandom phases, everyone busy, too much drama lately, something else? Hard to say.
grayout on February 26th, 2007 09:27 pm (UTC)
Just one random thing I noticed, but for someone that chooses the "I don't really care" option for the first question, there isn't really much other than "Other" to choose in the second. >>"

As for replying to feedback, for me it's usually all-or-none (if I remember to do it) -- like, I feel really bad responding to some people but not others? So if I respond to one person, I respond to everybody, otherwise I don't respond at all. And sometimes in one of the "none" posts some random person will say something that sparks my interest and a conversation develops from there, but yeah, if all I really have to say is "thanks," I feel bad saying it to like, the first few people but kind of "ignoring" the rest? If that makes any sense at all.

And... I'm not really a reader. *dies* Sorry I'm not of much help.
KJ: ffx2 - paineowlmoose on February 27th, 2007 08:08 am (UTC)
That totally makes sense. I also tend to respond to everyone or no one, even if some people get long responses and other people just get a "Thanks". But it tends to be tailored to how detailed the feedback is, so I don't feel particularly guilty about that.

I'm not sure whether it should matter or not. Hm.
Electric Butterfly: PSYCHO FANGIRL!! RAWR!jurhael on February 27th, 2007 04:10 am (UTC)
It just depends on the story. If I have something to say, I say it. If I don't, then I say nothing. I have to be thinking of something other than "I liked it".
...and my axe!!!: zelda - kaebwhateverthefuck - orlyshahrizai on February 27th, 2007 05:07 am (UTC)
For replying to feedback - I really only reply on LJ. It's just so convenient to have the comment email and the reply link on it. On ff.net, you have to have to track down the page of the user if they are registered, then email them from there. Same with Yuletide, they just don't make it simple enough. Of course, if I got a really in-depth review, I'd go to those lengths, but I really haven't gotten anything like that.

For leaving feedback - I pretty much only leave it if the story intrigues me. I've gotten really picky with who I read now, so there isn't a lot of concrit to leave. *laughs* I mean, so many authors I read on LJ have a list of people who beta'ed for them and such, so I'm just left with blubbering praise.
genus draco >>> dragon eyegenus_draco on March 1st, 2007 05:23 pm (UTC)
On Feedback: I love getting feedback because it shows that people liked it enough or wanted to help enough to do so. It's all about the 'enough' for me. Good, bad or indifferent is all fine to me.

Obviously concrit is very important to me as a beginner. It's possibly the most important feedback I can get and I'll take just about anything.

On Response: This section intrigued me most because it touches on the subject of communication. It's very important to me to have that communication with the person I've given feedback to. I generally don't just concrit or review everything I read -- mostly due to time constraints. I have to really like it and really want to help them improve.

When I don't really get anything from the author about it, I tend to feel pretty disappointed. It's probably very irrational of me, but I find that communication invaluable. Not just for the conversation, but the things I can learn from it.

Most authors seem to be notoriously bad about this and it makes me feel quite isolated as a beginner. So when I get feedback now, I try to at least say thank you to everyone so no one feels left out or passed over.

That all probably sounded pretty ridiculous in retrospect. I don't throw fits over it or anything, rest assured. It's all just a little bit daunting to me as the new fish in the bowl.